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francelow
01-18-2014, 01:16 AM
Hi people !

I graduated with a diploma in RP. I intend to apply for undergraduate course within UC schools. I was really confused with the US education system.

So I send an email to 2 schools - UCLA and UC Irvine. Both gave me different replies in regard to admission information. UC Irvine stated "Because you have already completed an undergraduate degree, you are no longer eligible for freshman or transfer admission. However, you may be able to apply to a second baccalaureate program. " It puzzles a lot as I thought diploma is not equivalent to undergraduate ? I really need help for my application :(

1. What is a Second baccalaurate program ? Is there a difference between Second baccalaurate program and postgrad degree ?

2. Any diploma graduate who apply for US schools ? Can you please enlighten about the process of application ?

3. Is diploma classified under high school or university ?

Thank you so much for your response and advice !

patryn33
01-20-2014, 02:05 AM
1st of all I am unclear if U asked them the right questions.
a diploma is a bach degree in states.
both Uni are not familiar with SG edu system and you will have to do alot of clarification. Our Diploma here is much like a Assoc degree in states for most avg Uni (ans to your last qns), top Uni may see it as vocational school.

1. Second baccalaurate is a 2nd bach degree. postgrad degree refers to Masters or Phd.

2. UC Uni are not friendly with external transfer. 1st of all what's your GPA and what is your intended major? UC Uni will req Essay, recommendation letters, a full course description with official Poly/Dept stamp and signature. your Os and Dip transcripts, your ECA/CCA, TOEFL (ppl with GP I have seen uni exempting these ppl). But I don't see many Dip holders meeting UC basic transfer req. Thus U will need to send in SAT.

ie
- Two UC transferable courses in English composition
- One UC transferable course in mathematical concepts and quantitative reasoning
- Four UC transferable courses chosen from at least two of the following areas: the arts and humanities, the social and behavioral sciences, or the physical and biological sciences

without meeting the above U can only apply as freshman.
best of all they may see Dip courses are Vocational type.

http://www.admissions.uci.edu/prospective_international/international_faq.html#transfer
What courses in a foreign curriculum generally do not transfer to U.S. universities?
English taught in non-English speaking countries. Vocational type courses are generally non-transferable. We are looking for courses that are similar to what is taught on our campus.


UC Riverside listed A levels requirement. generally I see dip holders going to CC and transfer to UC system of course most ppl here have low GPA below 3.3. you GPA of 3.1 best choice is go CC esp when U wanna transfer from environmental science dip to Bio degree.
http://admissions.ucr.edu/Admissions/internationalAdmission

Another thing, are U thinking of Fall 2015? the admission deadline for Fall 2014 for UC-Irivine/UCLA end in 30th Nov 2013! alot of sitting around between now and Sept 2015.

francelow
01-20-2014, 12:29 PM
1st of all I am unclear if U asked them the right questions.
a diploma is a bach degree in states.
both Uni are not familiar with SG edu system and you will have to do alot of clarification. Our Diploma here is much like a Assoc degree in states for most avg Uni (ans to your last qns), top Uni may see it as vocational school.

1. Second baccalaurate is a 2nd bach degree. postgrad degree refers to Masters or Phd.

2. UC Uni are not friendly with external transfer. 1st of all what's your GPA and what is your intended major? UC Uni will req Essay, recommendation letters, a full course description with official Poly/Dept stamp and signature. your Os and Dip transcripts, your ECA/CCA, TOEFL (ppl with GP I have seen uni exempting these ppl). But I don't see many Dip holders meeting UC basic transfer req. Thus U will need to send in SAT.

ie
- Two UC transferable courses in English composition
- One UC transferable course in mathematical concepts and quantitative reasoning
- Four UC transferable courses chosen from at least two of the following areas: the arts and humanities, the social and behavioral sciences, or the physical and biological sciences

without meeting the above U can only apply as freshman.
best of all they may see Dip courses are Vocational type.

http://www.admissions.uci.edu/prospective_international/international_faq.html#transfer

Basically this is my queries to UC Irvine, "I am a polytechnic graduate with a diploma in Environmental Science in Singapore.
I am interested in the undergraduate course in your school and was wondering if UCLA accept diploma graduate as
transfer student as part of the admission criteria ? Is there a GPA requirement for transfer students ?"

However, UCLA gave me a different reply,
"Hi there,
If your University does not have an exchange program with UCLA, then you will either need to apply to UCLA as a 4-year admitted student, or you can look into UCLA Extension or Summer Sessions, both of which allow for open enrollment for international students."

So I assume I am able to apply for freshmen in UCLA and not UC Irvine ?

Btw I am looking for Biological sciences or Microbiology, Immunology, and Molecular Genetics major.


UC Riverside listed A levels requirement. generally I see dip holders going to CC and transfer to UC system of course most ppl here have low GPA below 3.3. you GPA of 3.1 best choice is go CC esp when U wanna transfer from environmental science dip to Bio degree.
http://admissions.ucr.edu/Admissions...ionalAdmission

Another thing, are U thinking of Fall 2015? the admission deadline for Fall 2014 for UC-Irivine/UCLA end in 30th Nov 2013! alot of sitting around between now and Sept 2015.

1. Does it cost more and take longer time to go through CC then a major ?

2. Are there any diploma holders who apply for freshmen ? Intended GPA requirements for freshmen ? Or basically depends on SAT and ACT ?


Thank you so much for your input ! :D

patryn33
01-21-2014, 02:40 AM
firstly, both Uni misunderstood U were doing University. Polytechnic in USA is very much as University. Next, your assumption with both Uni is incorrect cause the misunderstanding. GPA of 3.1 from RP perhaps your GCE O levels along would weed U out of the competition at a glance. How to compete with ppl going from JC? No offense I just assume ppl from RP generally has higher L1R4 compared to SP/NP.

1. CC transfer wouldn't take more time. Didn't U read about the transfer agreement info on the UC page? U already missed the Fall 2014 intake, anyway waiting for Fall 2015 admission to start isn't that longer? They wouldn't seek 60 transferable credits if its going to take longer time to grad. They way U put it is like one get adv standing into 2nd yr but somehow Uni make one study 4yrs to graduate (passing every class), does it even sounds right to U? or U have a serious lack of understanding of how US system works? if so you better start reading this since U are going to California.
http://web1.assist.org/web-assist/help/help-uc_trans_admis.html
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/counselors/transfer/advising/transferring-credits/
https://secure.californiacolleges.edu/admissions/university-of-california-uc/advice-for-california-community-college-transfer-students.asp
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/professors-guide/2009/09/16/10-tips-for-transferring-from-community-college

when are U leaving for states since U mention your family is getting a greencard. U want to float around till Nov of 2014 to apply for admissions to Fall 2015?

2. Not seen any Dip holders applying as freshman to UC, I have see ppl applying as freshman to Austin, UMN, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Umich. GPA for freshman for UCLA my guess is much like Austin. if U your GPA can land yourself a place at NTU/NUS that's the min to have a reach. by no means its guarantee admission as they have to see your essay, letter of recommendation, SAT and CCA/ECA. I have met ppl getting a place at NTU EE but is rejected by Texas-Austin and they say the GPA is too low. 3.8 or better is needed years back.

francelow
01-21-2014, 11:08 PM
1. CC transfer wouldn't take more time. Didn't U read about the transfer agreement info on the UC page? U already missed the Fall 2014 intake, anyway waiting for Fall 2015 admission to start isn't that longer? They wouldn't seek 60 transferable credits if its going to take longer time to grad. They way U put it is like one get adv standing into 2nd yr but somehow Uni make one study 4yrs to graduate (passing every class), does it even sounds right to U? or U have a serious lack of understanding of how US system works? if so you better start reading this since U are going to California.
http://web1.assist.org/web-assist/help/help-uc_trans_admis.html
http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/counselors/transfer/advising/transferring-credits/
https://secure.californiacolleges.edu/admissions/university-of-california-uc/advice-for-california-community-college-transfer-students.asp
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/professors-guide/2009/09/16/10-tips-for-transferring-from-community-college

when are U leaving for states since U mention your family is getting a greencard. U want to float around till Nov of 2014 to apply for admissions to Fall 2015?

2. Not seen any Dip holders applying as freshman to UC, I have see ppl applying as freshman to Austin, UMN, Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Umich. GPA for freshman for UCLA my guess is much like Austin. if U your GPA can land yourself a place at NTU/NUS that's the min to have a reach. by no means its guarantee admission as they have to see your essay, letter of recommendation, SAT and CCA/ECA. I have met ppl getting a place at NTU EE but is rejected by Texas-Austin and they say the GPA is too low. 3.8 or better is needed years back.

Due to my confusion and misunderstanding of the US system, I have difficulties applying schools on my own. I have no choice but to wait for 2015 intake.

So I assume that Community College will take me in with my current diploma or do they take considerations of my O levels and my diploma ?

Do I still required to take SAT or ACT as part of the admission criteria for community college ?

Lastly, say I transfer from CC to UC schools, I will transfer to Junior year or sophomore ?

patryn33
01-21-2014, 11:40 PM
CC will take U in without much consideration for Os, U will start as freshman in CC upon finishing ~60 credits transfer to Uni as a Junior.
There is no need to do SAT, only TOEFL.
http://www.smc.edu/EnrollmentDevelopment/IEC/Pages/How-to-Apply-to-SMC.aspx

if U wanna stay in LA, most ppl go for Santa Monica College.
otherwise look at foothills or De Anza.

U can start CC in Summer 2014 or Fall 2014, by Fall 2015 U would have completed at least 1yr worth of credits (~30 credits), if U were to apply to UCLA or UC-Irvine and be rejected (most likely) then your fall back will be CC. if U don't cast your net and apply to more Uni come Apr/May 2015 will be too late to apply to other Uni as U would have past the deadline again pushing it to Fall 2016!

Going CC, U would have started Junior yr in a Cali Uni in Fall 2016!