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Old 08-31-2015, 08:27 PM   #1
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I am hoping that I can hear more about students who have studied a masters degree overseas with the aim of applying for a PhD program. What are some of the options for students who are more interested in the academic career path as opposed to seeking an industry-related Master's degree?

This is especially relevant in the field of Humanities. I am considering to apply for a good Master's program in the UK but the cost of tuition is a concern, and usually you will not get funding unless you are applying for a PhD program.

Local University isn't an option as the field I am hoping to study does not exist in Singapore.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:49 PM   #2
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why aren't you looking at North America Uni? can apply directly to their Phd program in most case and most Phd candidates are funded for 4-5yrs.

with Humanities what is your intended major? I understand U are currently at NTU reading History. UK offer research masters too.
since you goal is Phd why aren't you applying for Phd directly knowing thats the easiest way to get funding? why do Masters?

It is possible though they perfer Masters. really depends on your portoflio
http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/prospectiv...s/phd-fulltime

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Old 08-31-2015, 11:59 PM   #3
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why aren't you looking at North America Uni? can apply directly to their Phd program in most case and most Phd candidates are funded for 4-5yrs.

with Humanities what is your intended major? I understand U are currently at NTU reading History. UK offer research masters too.
since you goal is Phd why aren't you applying for Phd directly knowing thats the easiest way to get funding? why do Masters?

It is possible though they perfer Masters. really depends on your portoflio
http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/prospectiv...s/phd-fulltime
I'm planning on doing Classics and Ancient History, which is hardly the most common subject for anyone to study. The biggest barrier to a PhD is I do not have the necessarily qualification in regards to languages, simply because I do not have the option to master Latin/Greek to a level they are comfortable with for a full PhD program.

I've enquired with a number of Classics and Ancient History departments in the US. Most of them require 3-4 years of formal education in Latin or Greek before embarking on a PhD program, which is understandable. A Masters would generally allow me to further my studies in those two languages, in addition to all the necessary modern languages I have to learn along the way.

I do not mind a research Masters, the problem is there simply isn't that much funding opportunities for any Research Masters program in the UK that could cover most of the Tuition fees anyway.

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Old 09-01-2015, 01:32 AM   #4
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I've enquired with a number of Classics and Ancient History departments in the US. Most of them require 3-4 years of formal education in Latin or Greek before embarking on a PhD program, which is understandable. A Masters would generally allow me to further my studies in those two languages, in addition to all the necessarily modern languages I have to learn along the way.

I do not mind a research Masters, the problem is there simply isn't that much funding opportunities for any Research Masters program in the UK that could cover most of the Tuition fees anyway.
funding is always limited in UK. States looks like many asking for language skills for Masters too, many writing sample demand knowledge in such languages.

not having good language skills means U may have to audit those classes and put in more effort with some Uni. Phd in History can be 6yrs long. Typically Masters degree taken at other Uni are not transferable. You wish to spend 1-2yrs on Masters and 6yrs on Phd in USA?
http://www.yale.edu/classics/downloads/handbook.pdf
http://www.yale.edu/classics/graduates_masters.html
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Students qualify for the M.A. upon satisfactory completion of eight courses, ordinarily with a high-pass average in two successive terms. The Master of Philosophy is awarded to students who have completed all Ph.D. requirements but the dissertation. Only students wishing to proceed to a doctorate should, however, apply for admission.
http://www.classics.upenn.edu/gradua...ancial-support
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The Graduate Group in Ancient History is designed primarily to prepare students for the PhD degree, although PhD candidates will earn the MA degree in the course of their studies. Students entering the program are expected to have a broad familiarity with ancient history and sufficient language preparation to begin graduate work in two ancient languages. It is also desirable for applicants to have knowledge of one or more modern languages, especially German and either French or Italian.
or U can try such private Uni easier to find $$, but even Stanford not awarding $$ for MA.
https://www.brown.edu/academics/clas...ram/ma-program
http://history.emory.edu/home/gradua...uirements.html
http://classicalstudies.columbia.edu/degrees/m-a/
https://classics.stanford.edu/academ...ate-admissions

then again some MA program demands knowledge of Language
http://classics.nd.edu/graduate-stud.../how-to-apply/

U may want to chat with your prof on your direction and how can you aquire such language skills for such degree. or you open to looking at lower tier Uni which has a more lax requirement and allow you to masters the language during your Phd program

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UK university generally have a more relaxed attitude regarding languages, but you are going up against students who have studied a full classics degree.

I know there are many good programs that would offer good M.A. to students who haven't done a classics program, but that would also mean finding funding for them is going to be difficult. I have one year of study in Latin/Greek at university level, but that will not be enough for anyone attempting to do independent research.

Basically if you are Singaporean, you are screwed if you want to do any graduate program in Classics with funding. No uni in Singapore really prepare us for a PhD program.
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In an area where language in important but relax in language, I hope those program provides the opportunity for students to improve this area. else when U want to move into academia and research what is your selling point?

its a double edge sword..

well you can try such Uni for MA which guarantee funding and prep U for language. U can try looking at Uni with large endowments and hope they provide more funding
http://as.vanderbilt.edu/classics/graduate.php
https://classics.artsci.wustl.edu/gr...-arts-classics
http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/...dmissions.html

or do a terminal MA in theology (find those which gives U $$) and study language there and apply to Phd, a longer path.

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In an area where language in important but relax in language, I hope those program provides the opportunity for students to improve this area. else when U want to move into academia and research what is your selling point?

its a double edge sword..

well you can try such Uni for MA which guarantee funding and prep U for language. U can try looking at Uni with large endowments and hope they provide more funding
http://as.vanderbilt.edu/classics/graduate.php
https://classics.artsci.wustl.edu/gr...-arts-classics
http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/...dmissions.html

or do a terminal MA in theology (find those which gives U $$) and study language there and apply to Phd, a longer path.
An option would be to do a Post-Bacc program, but it's still cost a fair bit of money, and it's competitive as well with PhD students applying for those programs from time to time.

Theology, while they might provide you with some amount of training in reading the languages, isn't primarily concerned with the study of the ancient/classical world. In addition, theology isn't the main area of my research focus. So that might actually be worse off at preparing a potential candidate for a PhD program in Ancient History/Classics.

In addition, it's also about gaining access to good researchers in the field in relation to my research area, so it's about the specialisation of the department as well. Language is indeed one key aspect of a Classic program but the vast majority of attention is being paid to other aspect of the ancient world besides that. In the end, a good Master's program is merely there to help you prepare for a good PhD program. So I would have to take that into account.

For the UK, there's always the commonwealth scholarship, but it's an extremely competitive scholarship.
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Some people also consider fully funded doctoral programs to fund a Master’s degree. While frowned upon in academia for obvious reasons, if you enter a funded PhD program and complete your first 2 years of coursework, you could suspend your studies once you receive a Master’s with ABD (All But Dissertation) distinction. A retired Cornell professor clued me in to this.
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Some people also consider fully funded doctoral programs to fund a Master’s degree. While frowned upon in academia for obvious reasons, if you enter a funded PhD program and complete your first 2 years of coursework, you could suspend your studies once you receive a Master’s with ABD (All But Dissertation) distinction. A retired Cornell professor clued me in to this.
I do want to achieve a doctorate at the end of my studies. So dropping out of such a program would defeat the point. Moreover, I won't have a chance to get into a good PhD program irregardless of my current academic performance. Classics PhD would prefer someone with extensive background in the field and have strong grasp of the languages.
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An option would be to do a Post-Bacc program, but it's still cost a fair bit of money, and it's competitive as well with PhD students applying for those programs from time to time.

Theology, while they might provide you with some amount of training in reading the languages, isn't primarily concerned with the study of the ancient/classical world. In addition, theology isn't the main area of my research focus. So that might actually be worse off at preparing a potential candidate for a PhD program in Ancient History/Classics.

In addition, it's also about gaining access to good researchers in the field in relation to my research area, so it's about the specialisation of the department as well. Language is indeed one key aspect of a Classic program but the vast majority of attention is being paid to other aspect of the ancient world besides that. In the end, a good Master's program is merely there to help you prepare for a good PhD program. So I would have to take that into account.

For the UK, there's always the commonwealth scholarship, but it's an extremely competitive scholarship.
Goal of working on a theology MA is to acquire language skills, you can do undependent study or research supporting a Classics phd student.
You are not using the training from the degree to kick start your phd. its pretty much like doing a "2nd bach" but doing for free. this path means doing a 2 yr program then moving on to a full 6yrs program.

In general graduate programs do not transfer. even if you read a classics masters then change to a Uni to reach Phd, those graduate level coursework do not transfer. in very rare cases graduate work at MA level transfer to Phd.

I thought you not looking at competitive scholarship, if you qualify for commonweath and rhode scholar etc you wouldn't be starting this thread.
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