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Old 03-28-2010, 02:06 PM   #21
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Just wondering what's the guy to girl ratio in chem engine?
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Old 03-29-2010, 12:23 PM   #22
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Ratio depends on cohort. Ranges from girls:boys= 6:4 to even 1:5.

Anyway I dont think this is indicative of the nature of work, as chemical engineers are not required to be physically strong. The nature of work can range from fully deskbound to outdoor plants to outdoor sales.
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Old 05-01-2010, 02:07 AM   #23
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I got an offer to go into the NTU's CBE course, studying under subsidised tuition fee category and I was wondering what is it's differnce from NUS's chemical engineering course (or chemical or biomolecular enginering course, as stated here http://www.chee.nus.edu.sg/ , it's name changed I think, when I apply for courses in NUS I only saw chemical engineering)

First off comes the concern of the course and what it teaches. So as far as I know I got the course description for NTU's CBE course here http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf
and NUS's Chemical engineering course's course modules here http://www.nus.edu.sg/NUSinfo/Eng/Chemical.html but no description is available, as done by NTU's course module descriptions. If possible, could any of the more informed members here please post a link to the more course description for NUS's chemical engineering?(for reference)

I would like to ask if there are the MUST STUDY subjects for a chemical engineer, and would it be disadvantageous to take NTU's CBE as I saw someone mentioned earlier in NTU's CBE 80% is chemical engineering and 20% of it is for biomolecular engineering? Because I see that some of the subjects mentioned in NTU's course http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf does appear in NUS's chemical engineer course http://www.nus.edu.sg/NUSinfo/Eng/Chemical.html , is NTU cutting out some modules from a previous (if any) chemical engineering course and fit in some biomolecular stuff? And if that really happened, is CBE in any way, has less job prospects and harder to be get employed into it's relevant fields? (considering that NTU's CBE course haven't got full accreditation yet http://www.ies.org.sg/pageview.php?page_id=110 will it have any negative effect on future employment of the graduate?

Thanks in advance for anyone that's willing to help clear this up for me.

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Old 05-02-2010, 10:40 PM   #24
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Hi alex1_phang3, congratulations on getting the NTU CBE offer!

Same as all the previous replies, I cant inform you on the details of the NUS Chem E, and wad im saying doesnt represent NTU Chem E administration as well.

Referring to traditional Chem Engineering jobs namely process technologists and process engineers (some just called chem engineers), MUST study modules will be covered by both NUS and NTU, in order to ensure that their graduates are well-equipped for the relevant workforce in the future. In NTU all modules taken from year 2 onwards are MUST study, except for maybe those electives which forms your specialization.

These modules are normally (This list is not exhaustive):
Fundamental (1st year)
Energy & Materials Balance
Thermodynamics
Maths
Physical Chemistry
Organic Chemistry
Material Science

Higher Level (2nd year onwards)
Fluid Dynamics
Heat & Mass Transfer
Chemical Thermodynamics
Chemical Reaction Engineering
Unit Operations I & II
Process Control & Dynamics
Industrial Safety
Design Project
All the laboratory modules
Basic Programming
Engineers & Society

With the rising biopharma industry, NTU sees the need to educate their students in biochemical engineering, where we modules related to this from year 1 onwards. Graduates working in the biopharma industry would greatly benefit from this incorporation of biochem-eng modules into the syllabus. In my personal opinion, going thru all these modules right from the start gives an alternative career path, where some (in fact quite a many) graduates go into the biopharma field.

In fact, I believe that both NUS and NTU tune their course modules to ensure their graduates are fully prepared to go into any chemical engineering related fields, and I am confident that the inclusion of biochem engineering does not affect us but rather enhances our degree in a positive way.

As for accredition, NTU CBE is on provisional accredition, and full accredition can only be awarded when 2 batches of students have graduated (i.e. from end 2009 onwards). To the best of my knowledge, our full accredition review is already in progress.(--not representative of the school admin--). Do check back our website frequently, and it is more likely than not that the school will post the full accredition notice once approved.
Up till now, I have not heard of any seniors feedback that our provisional accredition has impeded them in their career, so I should assume it isnt that big an issue. Being in a world class university like NTU, employers do trust the credibility of the school and the quality of the graduates.

On a side note, perhaps you might want to post in NUS thread/forum to see if there's any seniors who can send u the link / soft copy of their course description, as I do not have access to any and am unable to inform you on that. The way modules are structured between NTU and NUS are slightly different, where NTU offers flexibility as some core modules have been merged/split depending to improve on the flow of the modules taught.

Thanks and hopefully it helped! Would look forward to your joining in August!
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Old 05-11-2010, 12:01 AM   #25
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Thanks for your informative reply, I'll be looking out for those modules in the course . . .

EDIT:
Lol finally found it!! http://www.chee.nus.edu.sg/undergrad/Modules2010-11.xls <- NUS's course description
http://www.chee.nus.edu.sg/undergrad...urriculum.html <- Major Requirements are listed here

And after comparing with NTU's Major Courses
http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf
And their descriptions http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf
I find that almost all of them doesnt match?! O.o

This is extremely worrying . . . Could some seniors be kind enough to help me clarify if they are really not the same at all? Thanks in advance!

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Old 05-12-2010, 12:47 AM   #26
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Thanks for your informative reply, I'll be looking out for those modules in the course . . .

EDIT:
Lol finally found it!! http://www.chee.nus.edu.sg/undergrad/Modules2010-11.xls <- NUS's course description
http://www.chee.nus.edu.sg/undergrad...urriculum.html <- Major Requirements are listed here

And after comparing with NTU's Major Courses
http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf
And their descriptions http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf
I find that almost all of them doesnt match?! O.o

This is extremely worrying . . . Could some seniors be kind enough to help me clarify if they are really not the same at all? Thanks in advance!
Seems the same to me leh. haha except the other nv include the major electives.
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Old 05-12-2010, 03:44 PM   #27
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Are you sure? Because some of them the name doesn't look the same, and the description aren't the same also . . . . . .

I biggest fear is that due to the difference in the modules (and it's contents) studied I might study less stuff (also including vital stuffs) required to be a fully functional and versatile engineer.

I hope to hear from more members, and see what they think about this.

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Old 05-13-2010, 10:39 PM   #28
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I didn't felt like replying as it seems to me a common-sensical reason.

Zhjjhz888 is correct where the basic foundation modules are the same, maths, energy/materials balance, fluid mechanics, thermodynamics, reaction engineering, unit operations, etc. Check out any Chem Eng course in any universities(local/overseas) and it would give u the same stuff coz its the fundamental study of all chem engineers.
The other higher level modules would serve as specializing/broadening scope, and is not mandatory for all chem engineers to do.

Universities aim to stand out from the rest and achieve a competitive advantage over another, by having different modules, different scope of study, different allocation of workflow. If there are 2 universities teaching the exact same things, why shd the counterpart exist in the first place? It would become a form of unhealthy competition.

Singapore Chem Eng degree focuses on a broad aspect of the field, where schools try to cover as broad as possible to expose their undergrads to the diff areas. In overseas U, the courses are more streamlined and specialized, where they have degrees in petroleum eng, well engineering, process eng. But end of the day, the fundamentals are still the same old Chem Eng theories. No difference in that. (an analogy: you have diff handphones from brand X,Y,Z, all of them can perform the same functions but each have their perks.)

Anyway, the university study is to impart you fundamental knowledge and to explore your potential, your interests, your career goals, and you as a person. Be prepared to put in more effort other areas besides studies; CCAs, leadership and work/team project experience if you aim to be at the top cut. The industry doesnt look at whether your school teaches equations A-Z, but how you present yourself as an asset.

So yup, you shouldnt be worried about why abcdefg is taught in NUS but abcd(xyz) is being taught in NTU. Relax! Spend some time taking cross fac modules (we call them unrestricted elective in NTU) as well!

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Old 05-13-2010, 10:41 PM   #29
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Oh. another point to note. talk to any working chem engineers and ask them how much of the theory they've learnt in school is being applied in their day to day work. Im sure they still use first law and second law of thermo, energy balance, but most likely thats all.

With the exception of process design engineers. Who are highly specialized technical calculation.
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:23 AM   #30
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Thanks for the replies. I have to admit, I just found out how narrow minded I was, thanks vsthermo, Zhjjhz888.


Anyways, I accepted the offer just now and went through this http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/scbe/cbe/Pros...20Jan%2010.pdf again . . . one thing I dont understand is the 7 x CBE - PE there, if you wanted to specialise you take the PE listed on the specialise groups right? lets say i chose Specialisation Group 2: Nanotechnology and Green Processing, which has 5 PE in it, then what happens to the other 2 PE?? must the come from the other specialise groups listed there?

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