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Old 06-07-2008, 09:59 PM   #21
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is the emphasis on the speaking up and giving feedback in SMU reali that huge??
i am so afraid i cant cope with that kind of environment but unfortunately SMU is the onli that gave mi my 1st choice. can someone do horribly wrong by jus not speaking up enuff???
SMU is different from the other 2 universities in that they provide a more "Americanised" style of teaching. That means speaking up is a must. If you can't speak up, they will groom you to just that. Its better to learn how to be confident and eloquent now, than to regret it when you realise you cannot be outstanding in the future because of your shy side.
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Old 06-08-2008, 10:55 PM   #22
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is the emphasis on the speaking up and giving feedback in SMU reali that huge??
i am so afraid i cant cope with that kind of environment but unfortunately SMU is the onli that gave mi my 1st choice. can someone do horribly wrong by jus not speaking up enuff???
well as far as i know class participation does matter quite a lot in SMU. and because of that students will fight to speak in class, whether or not they have something insightful to contribute is another matter. i guess when thrown into this kind of environment you'll feel compelled to speak up, then after a while perhaps it'll just become natural to you then wouldn't it be wonderful if you can graduate from SMU as a much more confident person? then again, i personally din consider SMU because this style of learning/ the culture is not really to my liking
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:51 AM   #23
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is the emphasis on the speaking up and giving feedback in SMU reali that huge??
i am so afraid i cant cope with that kind of environment but unfortunately SMU is the onli that gave mi my 1st choice. can someone do horribly wrong by jus not speaking up enuff???
Class Participation can make up 10% -40% of an overall course grade.

Assuming Class Part is graded over 20 points, an excellent student who participates frequently and contributes meaningfully can clock between 17-19pts whereas an average student perhaps ranges from 12-16. Even if they perform similarly for projects, presentations, tests and exams, class part might mean the difference between an A- or a B+ overall course grade.

Given the huge incentive, those issues that Ashero and elee mentioned can and do occur but it is actually not nearly as cut throat as it seems. Profs and students both frown on ostentatious or superficial participation without contribution. Overtime, students are generally socialised between what is acceptable and what is not. It is kind of like how basic rules of etiquette are followed informally.

On a lighter note for estee to consider - one can also go horribly wrong if a course grade entirely comes from one exam (imagine a 100% final paper only module). Worse, it can be due to circumstances that are totally uncontrollable... Whereas, since course grades are generally split between projects, presentations, papers and participation, students may well know they already passed a course even before sitting for the paper.
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:51 PM   #24
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I don't know if my impressions are correct. I have been researching the 3 Universities since I need to choose one day.

The only "difference" I find often cited for SMU is that you need to speak up and participate. But I found this thing at NUS which is exactly the same thing, except (to be fair) it was established before SMU. From the website, it started as some "TDP" in 1996, then became this USP thingy in 2001.

University Scholars Programme -> http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/
From what I read, it is an American type "liberal arts" programme. I searched wiki to understand what it "liberal arts" and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts

"Liberal arts colleges have traditionally emphasized interactive instruction[citation needed] (although research is still a component of these institutions) and are usually residential.[citation needed] They typically have a smaller enrollment, class size, and higher teacher-to-student ratios than universities."

Can seniors here help to see how this information now bench the 2 Universities please? And also, explain more about this USP and Liberal Arts thingy. Quite confusing.

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Old 02-05-2009, 05:16 PM   #25
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I find it amusing that so far there's only SMU students posting here sharing your views on your university, what about the students from NTU or NUS?
Because this thread is posted in the SMU folder?
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The only "difference" I find often cited for SMU is that you need to speak up and participate. etc...
That's a commonly held perception. Personally, I believe any business or commence schools would emphasize on communication skills as part of their core syllabi, Nanyang Business School and NUS Business School included.

SMU students however feel this keenly because participation and project presentation are structured to be a significant part of our academic evaluation, a large component of final grades ride on it.

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I may be mistaken but I think NUS's USP program is marketed as a multi-disciplinary, higher level program to their students. It seems to contain cross disciplinary courses like critical thinking, social entrepreneurship, human relations etc.

The program is extremely selective, <5% of students get into the program and USP students have to maintain a CAP of 3.5 (average B). This may seem trival to many of you but do realize that 30% of the courses USP students take are with other USP students and most university grade on a Bell Curve (look this up, this will be the cause of much anguish, esp. for grade centric Singaporeans...).

Alex, I'll give you the same advice I usually give to juniors, attend as many of the open houses, information sessions, sample seminars etc. that each of the universities organizes. Each uni is sufficiently "different" that one university will suit you much better than the other three and that makes all the difference in your enjoyment (and your eventual grade...) of your undergrad studies.
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That's a commonly held perception. Personally, I believe any business or commence schools would emphasize on communication skills as part of their core syllabi, Nanyang Business School and NUS Business School included.

SMU students however feel this keenly because participation and project presentation are structured to be a significant part of our academic evaluation, a large component of final grades ride on it.
So, can I derive from your post is that NTU and NUS also have the participation in their grading just that SMU has a higher weightage? If so, then SMU cannot say that speaking up and participating is a "difference" at SMU, but the weightage is higher. Saying that pariticaption is the "difference" gives us the impression that the other universities don't like students to participate, which by now I know is not true.

Thanks for all the clarity! I will surely visit all the open houses when the time comes and see which is most suitable for me!
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Old 02-07-2009, 09:28 PM   #28
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So, can I derive from your post is that NTU and NUS also have the participation in their grading just that SMU has a higher weightage? If so, then SMU cannot say that speaking up and participating is a "difference" at SMU, but the weightage is higher. Saying that pariticaption is the "difference" gives us the impression that the other universities don't like students to participate, which by now I know is not true.

Thanks for all the clarity! I will surely visit all the open houses when the time comes and see which is most suitable for me!
It's not really much of the participation. In SMU, they run the class in a seminar style system that is similar to a MBA like-style of lesson. Because of the small class size, you get to interact more with your classmates and Professor.

NTU and NUS runs in a way of Lecture and Tutorial Style. My friends from NUS and NTU business school told me they have their tutorial like a seminar style too. But during Lecture, it's still the same old conventional way of learning.

In SMU, it's seminar all the way, and lots of projects for you to do. But then again, you will really learn things that are beyond the textbooks.The Faculty members are really friendly and they are pretty interactive during class.

NUS and NTU are accredited schools, so I must say their business school are also very well established.

I will reckon you to choose your ideal school based on the learning style that suits you rather than looking at which school is better than the other. Afterall, Singapore Business schools are widely recognised in the world.
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Old 02-15-2009, 02:05 AM   #29
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I know back office functions being outsourced to sing are staffed by some SMU grads. From what I heard from BO ppl here (at the bank where I interned), those people can follow instructions, speak with weird accent and don't mess things up.

Transfer to Sing is hardship post, promotion and pay are better.

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Old 03-13-2009, 12:05 AM   #30
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I guess ranking is important but its difficult to compare SMU against NUS against the well known university rankings since SMU is not a full university unlike NUS.
That said, if you're looking at Business subjects like banking and finance i'll HIGHLY recommend SMU. Ranking and standards isnt all there is to university selections. SMU is quite well known to be corporate oriented and also its business sch is highly regarded! SMU emphasises the practical aspect of things so as to give students an exposure to what life is like in the biz/finance world. So DEFINITELY in this respect, SMU is on par with NUS!
Yes, as per what the other replies have said, SMU teaches in a seminar style so students are expected to come into class prepared for the lesson (i.e. having done some readings and stuffs) so they can contribute to the class discussions. I think its a good way to encourage consistency in studies and its really interesting to learn from your classmates during these sessions.
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