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Old 02-15-2009, 03:11 AM   #11
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No SMU and NUS are no where near Berkeley andl UCL.
I think you have to qualify your statement. For local law firms at least, NUS law is almost as good as UCL law, if not as good. Please don't make sweeping generalisations.
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Old 02-15-2009, 04:43 AM   #12
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I think you have to qualify your statement. For local law firms at least, NUS law is almost as good as UCL law, if not as good. Please don't make sweeping generalisations.
For FO banking, only top of the top NUS students get interviews. Average UCL (2.1+) econs grads would get interviews.
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Would that be FO banking in UK or FO anywhere in the world?
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Old 02-16-2009, 05:13 AM   #14
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Would that be FO banking in UK or FO anywhere in the world?
Both London (EMEA) and NY (Americas). Likewise for HK and Singapore.

You cannot compare UCL and NUS. Just compare the alumni base.

Also, Singapore's size & economy < London, but UCL is taking students from whole of EMEA region.

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I don't know about law; a friend of mine is working at Allen & Overy here (magic circle firm) and she graduated from LSE.

No SMU and NUS are no where near Berkeley andl UCL.
I guess the statement made was rather sweepy, I mean somehow if you have not notice, even in FT times MBA business school ranking, Nanyang Business School ranking is better than Berkeley Haas. No where near? Well I guess it really depend on the faculties and the strength of each school. It's somehow not quite accurate to compare a school as an overall.

NUS law faculty has been one of best known school across asia, or even the world. You can read this link http://law.nus.edu.sg/news/archive/2008/newsFT.htm

SMU is a pretty new University, and they are a business specialised school.So i don't think there are any ranking for SMU at this point of time. But most of their faculties are from the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. I have a great professor this semester by the name of Sheen S Levine from Wharton, one the better known professors around the world. And also, SMU graduates are also recruited overseas as well. SMU models its curriculum similar to Wharton, and the school has a deep focus on Business in Asia.

Universities in Asia are widely recognised in the world today, to certain extent they are on par with some of the top tier school in US or UK, including the 3 Local Universities. Furthermore, it's definitely cheaper to study in Singapore than Overseas. Plus, you have a less debt to start off after you graduate (If you have to finance your own studies).
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I guess the statement made was rather sweepy, I mean somehow if you have not notice, even in FT times MBA business school ranking, Nanyang Business School ranking is better than Berkeley Haas. No where near? Well I guess it really depend on the faculties and the strength of each school. It's somehow not quite accurate to compare a school as an overall.

NUS law faculty has been one of best known school across asia, or even the world. You can read this link http://law.nus.edu.sg/news/archive/2008/newsFT.htm

SMU is a pretty new University, and they are a business specialised school.So i don't think there are any ranking for SMU at this point of time. But most of their faculties are from the Ivies, Stanford and MIT. I have a great professor this semester by the name of Sheen S Levine from Wharton, one the better known professors around the world. And also, SMU graduates are also recruited overseas as well. SMU models its curriculum similar to Wharton, and the school has a deep focus on Business in Asia.

Universities in Asia are widely recognised in the world today, to certain extent they are on par with some of the top tier school in US or UK, including the 3 Local Universities. Furthermore, it's definitely cheaper to study in Singapore than Overseas. Plus, you have a less debt to start off after you graduate (If you have to finance your own studies).
Hi seeweiren, very nice to hear from you.

We are generally very skeptical about universities from emerging economies. I think the developed regions are like the US, Japan and EU-15 all have very good universities.

Singapore is smaller than London or NYC, which are just cities in a much wider economic area.

Tokyo and Kyoto are definitely on par. Those top grads from big countries like India (IIT, IIM) and China (Peking (A PhD student here is from Peking), Renmin, Tsinghua) are all very hot commodities as well.

You need the kind of population size to have selectivity. I just don't see how you can have three "selective universities" in a small city with 4m people.
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Hi seeweiren, very nice to hear from you.

We are generally very skeptical about universities from emerging economies. I think the developed regions are like the US, Japan and EU-15 all have very good universities.

Singapore is smaller than London or NYC, which are just cities in a much wider economic area.

Tokyo and Kyoto are definitely on par. Those top grads from big countries like India (IIT, IIM) and China (Peking (A PhD student here is from Peking), Renmin, Tsinghua) are all very hot commodities as well.

You need the kind of population size to have selectivity. I just don't see how you can have three "selective universities" in a small city with 4m people.

It's great to hear view from other regions and continent

Well I cannot deny that Singapore is smaller than NYC and London, in terms of the economy. However, one cannot deny that Singapore is an influential country across Asia. Afterall, we are the fourth largest foreign exchange trading center right after UK,US and Japan.

There's a distinctive difference between "selective" and "reputation". I don't think that having selective admission criteria generally reflects a good reputation of the school. Though people might argue or believe that there is a correlation between Reputation and Selective admission.But Look at the Australia Universities or even some of the top tier universities in UK or US, having a easier entry admission does not mean that they do not have a good reputation. In fact Universities from the GO8 in Australia are rated as one of the top tier school around the world, like UNSW, University of Melbourne.

It's the same goes for the 3 local Universities, I am not saying that they are being selective or stringent towards admission criteria. But they do have a good reputation across of the world simply because of the intensive research and scholarly papers they produced.

If one really intend to look at the universities as a whole, THES has placed NUS or NTU in the top few place around the world.

Likewise, for SMU, SMU has been one of the "rising star" as noted by the media and throughout Singapore or even Asia. Being as an undergraduate student of SMU, I do not see myself inferior as compared to other top-notch universities in US or UK. This is simply because I strongly believe in the curriculam that is being used in SMU. There are graduates from SMU who actually work at US fund management giant such as Capital Group Companies in LA.Numbers might be kind of small in the case of SMU graduates working overseas. But i do know of a significant number of graduates being recruited by Offshore banks in Singapore as Investment or Private Banker. Simply because, if your Uni is situated in Singapore or Asia, you will definitiely have a deep knowledge of the situations and market in Asia.

I personally think that so long you, have the quality the talent, plus a recognised degree, it would not be a problem for you to find your desire career.

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It's great to hear view from other regions and continent

Well I cannot deny that Singapore is smaller than NYC and London, in terms of the economy. However, one cannot deny that Singapore is an influential country across Asia. Afterall, we are the fourth largest foreign exchange trading center right after UK,US and Japan.

There's a distinctive difference between "selective" and "reputation". I don't think that having selective admission criteria generally reflects a good reputation of the school. Though people might argue or believe that there is a correlation between Reputation and Selective admission.But Look at the Australia Universities or even some of the top tier universities in UK or US, having a easier entry admission does not mean that they do not have a good reputation. In fact Universities from the GO8 in Australia are rated as one of the top tier school around the world, like UNSW, University of Melbourne.

It's the same goes for the 3 local Universities, I am not saying that they are being selective or stringent towards admission criteria. But they do have a good reputation across of the world simply because of the intensive research and scholarly papers they produced.

If one really intend to look at the universities as a whole, THES has placed NUS or NTU in the top few place around the world.

Likewise, for SMU, SMU has been one of the "rising star" as noted by the media and throughout Singapore or even Asia. Being as an undergraduate student of SMU, I do not see myself inferior as compared to other top-notch universities in US or UK. This is simply because I strongly believe in the curriculam that is being used in SMU. There are graduates from SMU who actually work at US fund management giant such as Capital Group Companies in LA.Numbers might be kind of small in the case of SMU graduates working overseas. But i do know of a significant number of graduates being recruited by Offshore banks in Singapore as Investment or Private Banker. Simply because, if your Uni is situated in Singapore or Asia, you will definitiely have a deep knowledge of the situations and market in Asia.

I personally think that so long you, have the quality the talent, plus a recognised degree, it would not be a problem for you to find your desire career.
Very nice post! Kinda busy at the moment; I'll def. get back to you!
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If one really intend to look at the universities as a whole, THES has placed NUS or NTU in the top few place around the world.
THES is interesting..
ANU is place ahead of Stanford. ppl from poly with GPA 2.6 are getting into ANU to do engineering. ANU must be great can turn Dirt into Gold.
even monash is placed ahead of LSE, Darmouth. another great uni that turn dirt to gold.
no offence to those LSE or Stanford grads, seem like Platinum went in and out comes Silver.
no wonder today some ppl are highlighting their uni ranking in their resume.
anyone in HR and whats their take on it?

NUS is also way ahead of many renown Uni from berekely, Darmouth to LSE.
no wonder we call it our local ives!

BTW: whats THES methodolgy to make it a bible in world ranking? PRC seem to buy into the SHJT ranking.
even those lowly ranked Russian uni Com Sci grads did find their way into the valley liao does that mean on avg those grads perform as good as those MIT/Stanford grads? if we dig deep enough I am pretty sure we can find lowly ranked free European Uni grads finding their way to US working in Fund management Giant.

I do agree to this statement: "I personally think that so long you, have the quality the talent, plus a recognised degree, it would not be a problem for you to find your desire career."

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I guess the statement made was rather sweepy, I mean somehow if you have not notice, even in FT times MBA business school ranking, Nanyang Business School ranking is better than Berkeley Haas. No where near? Well I guess it really depend on the faculties and the strength of each school. It's somehow not quite accurate to compare a school as an overall.
I doubt think FT is clear indicator of faculties strenght. only 10% is used in the ranking, a majority goes to salary and the increase. A Biz school that produce alot of Phd is not a clear indicator of strenght too.
no statistican here, but is that is good sample size?

if we look at just Phd faculty and Phd rank, Hass is better than Nanyang. then is this an good indicator??
Nanyang - 94 / 76
Hass - 100 / 9
NUS - 92 / 72
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FT MBA 2009 RANKINGS KEY (weights are in brackets)

Audit year Indicates the most recent year that KPMG audited a business school, applying specified audit procedures relating to selected data provided for the Financial Times MBA ranking.

Salary today The average alumni salary three years after graduation. (The 2009 ranking surveyed the MBA class that graduated in 2005). This figure includes alumni salary data for the current year and the one or two preceding years, where available. The figure is NOT used in the ranking.

Weighted salary (20) The average alumni salary today with adjustment for salary variations between industry sectors. This figure includes data for the current year and the one or two preceding years where available.

Salary percentage increase (20) The percentage increase in average alumni salary from before the MBA to today as a percentage of the pre-MBA salary. This figure includes data for the current year and the one or two preceding years where available.

Value for money (3) This is calculated using the salary earned by alumni today, course length, fees and other costs, including the opportunity cost of not working for the duration of the course.

Career progress (3) This is calculated according to changes in the level of seniority and the size of the company alumni are working in now versus before their MBA. Data for the current year and the one or two preceding years are included where available.

Aims achieved (3) The extent to which alumni fulfilled their goals or reasons for doing an MBA.

Placement success (2) Alumni who used the careers service at their business school were asked to rank its effectiveness in their job search. This figure includes data for the current year and the one or two preceding years where available.

Employed at three months (2) The percentage of the most recent graduating class that had found employment or accepted a job offer within three months of graduation. The figure in brackets is the percentage of the class for which the school was able to provide employment data.

Alumni recommend (2) Alumni were asked to name three business schools from which they would recruit MBA graduates. The ranking is calculated according to the votes for each school. Data for the current year and the one or two preceding years are included where available.

Women faculty (2) Percentage of female faculty.

Women students (2) Percentage of female students.

Women board (1) Percentage of female members of the advisory board.

International faculty (4) Percentage of faculty whose citizenship differs from their country of employment.

International students (4) Percentage of students whose citizenship differs from the country in which they are studying.

International board (2) Percentage of the board whose citizenship differs from the country in which the business school is based.

International mobility (6) This is calculated according to whether alumni worked in different countries before the MBA, on graduation and also where they are employed today.

International experience (2) Weighted average of four criteria that measure international exposure during the MBA programme.

Languages (2) Number of extra languages required on completion of the MBA. Where a proportion of students requires a further language due to an additional diploma, that figure is included in the calculations but not presented in the final table.

Faculty with doctorates (5) Percentage of faculty with a doctoral degree.

FT doctoral rank (5) This is calculated according to the number of doctoral graduates from each business school during the past three years. Additional points are given if these doctoral graduates took up faculty positions at one of the top 50 full-time MBA schools of 2008.

FT research rank (10) This is calculated according to the number of faculty publications in 40 academic and practitioner journals. Points are awarded to the business school at which the author is currently employed. The total is weighted for faculty size.
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