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Old 04-19-2009, 06:50 PM   #21
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Hey guys!

I'm also quite in a dilemma right now. NTU's business school is better in terms of international ranking, with high number of employment rates and an average salary that is of one digit higher than that of alumni's from NUS business school. But NUS as a whole is much more recognized internationally.

Anyone has any idea an BBA from which school is more recognized internationally? (preferably by US) Thx!

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@uwishunu: I don't want to disappoint you, but the round of interviews for SMU business may have already finished (I guess because all my friends that are shortlisted have been through it already 2 weeks ago). I'm not really sure about GPA because I went through the A levels system. But honestly I think that you have quite a good achievements record! (Mine sucks totally). Plus, NTU doesn't give interviews to everyone and I don't think there is an interview for NUS. So don't be too worried, we're still at the early stage of the "acceptance" period

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Old 04-19-2009, 08:53 PM   #22
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Hey guys!

I'm also quite in a dilemma right now. NTU's business school is better in terms of international ranking, with high number of employment rates and an average salary that is of one digit higher than that of alumni's from NUS business school. But NUS as a whole is much more recognized internationally.

Anyone has any idea an BBA from which school is more recognized internationally? (preferably by US) Thx!
If you are thinking of school that are recognised by US, it's better to choose SMU, as they are under the cum laude and US grading system. Industries in US prefer school that follows the US system rather to the Commonwealth system, gotten the source from my seniors working at HSBC US. However if it's NUS or NTU, i guess there's not much of difference in term of their international recognition, they are widely known in the world already.You will hear many students out there from the 3 Unis working abroad in big firms and companies.

Go look at the majors and specialisation they offer, as schools have different majors, like NTU and SMU offers Wealth Management, Investment Banking Track, but NUS only offer finance in general. Think NTU does not offer operation management as a major but NUS and SMU does. SMU and NUS offers Quantitative finance (if you aspire to be a fund manager).So go check out their website.

Look also at the timeframe and when you want to work, NUS is 4 years for honors program, while NTU is 3 years (which means more modules piled within the 3 years).
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Old 04-19-2009, 11:06 PM   #23
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Hi 12oxas: Thanks but I have already resigned to the fact that my achievements don't value as much due to my lackluster results. I guess the Singaporean education system is such.

In regards to your question, NUS is definitely much more renowned at an International level. However with NTU, it is straight honors within 3 years and you will be able to enter the workforce much earlier than your peers(which is an added advantage). I believe all 3 Universities have excellent business programs and it all depends on your personal preference. For me, SMU is extremely attractive with its teaching approach and the graduates I have met are definitely a class apart from other Universities.

If you are looking for an American University that offers an Internationally reclaimed business program, there are plenty. However, I recommend that you consider University of Michigan or Indiana, Bloomington. Both are public schools(affordable!) and their business schools are known to be the best in the world. America is definitely the choice to pursue further studies overseas. All the best.

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Old 04-20-2009, 06:28 PM   #24
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If you are thinking of school that are recognised by US, it's better to choose SMU, as they are under the cum laude and US grading system. Industries in US prefer school that follows the US system rather to the Commonwealth system, gotten the source from my seniors working at HSBC US.
I would disagree. To work in the USA or be recognised, you need the accrediations, which only NTU and NUS have. SMU has not been accredited, and can be said as largely not recognised as top tier in the US.

To say that by following a system is recognised, then would Singapore recognise a business degree from University of Mauritius just because it is also based on the Commonwealth system? No.

NTU and NUS are the ones to go for if you are looking for international recognition.
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:49 PM   #25
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Thx for all your replies! They were really insightful.

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f you are thinking of school that are recognised by US, it's better to choose SMU, as they are under the cum laude and US grading system. Industries in US prefer school that follows the US system rather to the Commonwealth system, gotten the source from my seniors working at HSBC US.
@seeweiren: I was actually given the accountancy course. So i was wondering is that the same as the business course too? In terms of recognition.

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@uwishunu:Yeah i tried applying but my financial requirements dont meet the passing mark. I planning to take up a masters in US. Yup. Thx for ur reply! all the best to you too

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I would disagree. To work in the USA or be recognised, you need the accrediations, which only NTU and NUS have. SMU has not been accredited, and can be said as largely not recognised as top tier in the US.
@Alex: Somehow i feel the same with you too. I've checked a few popular buiz sch ranking sites. SMU doesn't seem to be even listed under the "Business schools in Singapore" column
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Old 04-22-2009, 07:56 AM   #26
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Thx for all your replies! They were really insightful.



@seeweiren: I was actually given the accountancy course. So i was wondering is that the same as the business course too? In terms of recognition.

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@Alex: Somehow i feel the same with you too. I've checked a few popular buiz sch ranking sites. SMU doesn't seem to be even listed under the "Business schools in Singapore" column
The accountancy degree from SMU are quite comprable with the other 2 Local Uni. Well accountancy is a hot course, so generally, it will be harder to be admitted in an accountancy course as compared to a business degree given the no of place offered. Just FYI, SMU accountancy degree is accredited by ACCA or ICPAS (Can't remember is which 1) earlier than NUS, though they launch their programme later than NUS. If you really like those ranking and recognition, safe choice,go choose NTU then, they are highly sought after.

Don't just rely on school ranking solely or don't over rely on it. I can guarantee you that if you choose a school solely based on their ranking, you might not enjoy your full undergrad lifes. SMU does not have any business ranking or accreditation so to speak simply because they are just too new, and the word is new. To get even to meet the criteria to be placed in the MBA ranking they need to have the programme launch for at least 8 years. SMU need more years for before they can get accreditation.

Plus if you are really those people who are really into the corporate business world, i seriously think SMU is the most ideal place, with their super high great emphasis on business academics. I bet you have never heard of Helenski School of Economics or European Business School. These are universities in Europe that focus solely on Business, and they are one of the prestigious Business school in Europe.

Best advise, go look at the curriculum for all 3 and other universities curriculum, it is completely different if you think it's the same. For a start SMU don't have a final thesis to complete for the honors, it's 4 years full coursework.
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:13 PM   #27
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Duration of courses

The duration of the honours programmes for the business courses for the abovementioned universities are:

NUS: 4 years. (Non-direct honours where you have to be invited to do your honours year based on results) - yup cause employers recognize the quality of a nus honors student and not everyone gets to be one, its very much merit based. as long as you get a 3.5/5 gpa you will qualify to complete your honors degree and YES it does affect your post grad chances if you so choose to do a quality mba/post grad program, quality meaning top 25 bschools, not just any. with a little research, 3 year programs in the states are associated with community colleges or akin to an associate degree..

NTU: 3 years (Direct honours, meaning it is a 3 year direct honours course in which you graduate with honours if your grades make the cut at point of graduation.)

SMU: American honours system (Considered equivalent to direct honours, albeit with different naming: Cum Laude, Summa Cum Laude, Magna Cum Laude). 3 to 3.5 years depending on modules you are willing to overload.

Accreditation - Alex here has taken the trouble to send enquiries to all three universities , that's very helpful indeed, you could use it as a rough guide. However when factoring in accreditations, keep in mind that business courses are not specialized in general - what do you intend to work in the future? The accreditations may or may not be relevant to the job scope you have in mind.

Recognizability

Nanyang Business School, among the three university business faculties is by far considered to be the most established and popular business school in Singapore. They rank #1 in terms of business schools in SE Asia, and third in Asia overall.

Singapore Management University is not yet ranked as it is a new university, but many local employers have the opinion that SMU graduates are very out-spoken and eloquent people. This is due to their unique pedagogy (or else not so unique in time to come, but that's another story) and teaching.

In terms of international recognizability, should you decide to work overseas, people might favor the NUS BBA more. This is because to an overseas recruiter that does not know much about local education, the label 'National' in its name is often viewed as a sense of security when judging the quality of the degree. beyond that the reputation and the quality of the alumni speaks volumes, did you know we have alumni who are gm lenovo ASEAN/Korea, yup boss of SEA and Korean markets, and of course the usual consulting and banking

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SMU students are supposedly more vibrant/out-going due to the careful selection of students at the interview. (I wouldn't go as far as to claim it is a successful weeding process, however it is (was? ) one of the factors that helped SMU students to stand out).

Facilities are rather new as it is a rather new university. One worthy point to mention is that despite it being a management university, the academia is still rigorous - do not go into this course thinking that you would have more leisure time to laze around/slack compared to choosing the other two.

On the NTU side, It's no hidden secret that NBS admissions are extremely competitive. After all, despite SMU's recent success in its business graduates, many prospective students still prefer to take the safer route by choosing a more established faculty.

The amount of chinese-speaking (ahem cheena?) students in NTU seem to outnumber their counterparts in the other two universities. Not that I am implying anything of course, just thought I would throw up the point of demographics.

Flexibility of modules and declaring of majors

NUS B.B.A is a general business administration degree associated with no majors. - more plus that con really, again with some research, the true blue bschools worldwide DONT OFFER SPECIALIZATIONS in banking or investment banking or pwm or human resource consulting, its a good solid business education allowing you to do whatever you so wish, cause you can, not because you need words and certain modules to back you up. the quality of the bba (nus or otherwise) is testament to that, hence the lack of suffixes.

NTU and SMU however, give you the option of declaring a major. In other words, the certificate will specify explicitly the major name on the certificate.
This, is retrospect, can be seen as a huge advantage to choose NTU and SMU Business over the NUS B.B.A. It would also reflect better on the resume.

One point that may be of note for Nanyang Business School though, that the selection of the major is subject to streaming as well.

Flexibility to take up Second Majors

SMU seems to be the most flexible university in terms of offering double majors. In fact, the entire course structure is designed in such a way that it almost seems as though it is trying to encourage every student to take up a second major.

Other minor considerations

- Distance. The roads leading to NTU is often jammed most of the time and if you are living in the east, it is rather inaccessible as it is so far away. The area NTU is in is also rather desolated compared to NUS.

- Hall life. Ask your seniors about this.

- Based on statistics, NTU students are paid higher than NUS students. (EDIT: Might not be true, see post below)


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I favor NBS actually. ^-^
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:15 PM   #28
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I almost forgot. During dinner with a business associate of my father's company, he gave a piece of interesting information.

He is from Copenhagen, and hass been looking for a Business School in Asia for his kids. It seems that Copenhagen has a list of approved or recognised foreign business schools, and NUS Business School is the only Singapore Business School in the list of recognised foreign Business Schools.

Any seniors can help to verify this piece of information please?
yup ya right to some extend, though im certain that cbs does recognize the other two as well, nus bschool has a long standing exchange agreement with cbs and has performed well in their flagship international case competition www.casecompetition.com notice the schools invited are always amongst the best and to some extend cbs has chosen to associate themselves with nus
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:21 PM   #29
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The accountancy degree from SMU are quite comprable with the other 2 Local Uni. Well accountancy is a hot course, so generally, it will be harder to be admitted in an accountancy course as compared to a business degree given the no of place offered. Just FYI, SMU accountancy degree is accredited by ACCA or ICPAS (Can't remember is which 1) earlier than NUS, though they launch their programme later than NUS. If you really like those ranking and recognition, safe choice,go choose NTU then, they are highly sought after.anyway, accountancy in singapore has its roots in nus, accounting was separated for the creation of nbs, so really simple, check out the cvs of the profs in ntu and smu, and of course the big 4 partners and managers, accreditation wise, if i remember only smu and nus is accredited by cpa australia and of course the usual singapore bodies, with a cpa australia accreditation, it allows you the flexibility to practice in commonwealth countries. so in sum its about the same across the three, but the crux is the intensity of the nus bba(accountancy) program, come down for the nus masterclass or welcome tea and im sure you guys will find out mroe from my friends in the BAC program

Don't just rely on school ranking solely or don't over rely on it. I can guarantee you that if you choose a school solely based on their ranking, you might not enjoy your full undergrad lifes. SMU does not have any business ranking or accreditation so to speak simply because they are just too new, and the word is new. To get even to meet the criteria to be placed in the MBA ranking they need to have the programme launch for at least 8 years. SMU need more years for before they can get accreditation. yeah please dont! rankings may be flashy and marketing ploys,what should guide your decision is comfort at the bschool, the people, the quality of education you be receiving

Plus if you are really those people who are really into the corporate business world, i seriously think SMU is the most ideal place, with their super high great emphasis on business academics. I bet you have never heard of Helenski School of Economics or European Business School. These are universities in Europe that focus solely on Business, and they are one of the prestigious Business school in Europe.well moot point to some extend, hse/sse and ebs have exchange programs with nus bschool, not the rest, academics wise, well best for applicants to peruse staff cvs that are easily available

Best advise, go look at the curriculum for all 3 and other universities curriculum, it is completely different if you think it's the same. For a start SMU don't have a final thesis to complete for the honors, it's 4 years full coursework.
- YUP, the crux, the intensity and rigor differs across the 3 bschools, so do make your choice personal and not because its the best or the ranking's highest or it seems the most corporate, but because you want it, only then will you make it. just my two cents lads =)
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:33 PM   #30
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For Nus, biz/accountancy course is 4 years while that in ntu is 3 years. - yup 3vs4, reason being for academic rigor and for reputation upkeep, the merit honors system is the preferred means of according degrees in bschool

Does anyone know whether that means nus grads may get more exemptions in professional accountancy exams than ntu grads cos they study more? Or do nus grads just study more biz stuff that's not very relevant to the exams.
--eh for this, do check out which other accountancy bodies are affliliated with the 3 programs, believe locally as long as u graduate from any of the 3 there is no difference, however only nus bschool and smu accounting has the cpa australia accreditation - ie. you can practice in commonwealth countries easier
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